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Work On Your Business, Not Just In It

Recorded:
April 24, 2025
Released:
May 6, 2025
Episode Number:
368

As developers and business owners, it’s easy to get stuck in the daily grind — coding, responding to emails, handling support — and forget to actually build the business. In this episode, Matt and Mike dive into what it really means to work on your business instead of just in it. The guys explore strategies to avoid becoming your own overworked employee, how to delegate or automate low-leverage tasks, and the mindset shifts that help you move from operator to true owner. Inspiration for this episode came from the guys' own experience regarding their business for the past few years, where the workload from clients has overwhelmed their day-to-day, leaving strategy and business development completely stagnant.

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Introduction

  • What I’ve noticed the past year or so is that I’m largely an employee in my own business. We’ve been so busy recently that I usually just work on whatever is on my plate, then close the laptop for the day
  • Last weekend I randomly saw a TikTok that made the point that if you’re working during the week (M-F) then working in your business is fine, but if you’re working on the weekend you should be working on your business - I didn’t even watch the full TikTok, swiping away pretty quick, but the main point got me thinking about this all week
  • In this episode we’ll be:
    • Defining working in vs working on your business
    • Discussing the importance of both 
    • Sharing some personal stories and insights from our years in business

Working In Your Business

  • When you’re working in your business, you’re working as an employee, doing things like:
    • Fulfilling client requests
    • Answering emails
    • Developing client projects

Working On Your Business

  • When you’re working on your business you’re working more like an entrepreneur:
    • Strategic planning, marketing, automation, process optimization.
    • Thinking long-term: systems, branding, scalability.
    • Delegating and documenting: making your business self-sustaining.
    • Creating time to work on new offerings, partnerships, or content (like this podcast!).
  • To be clear, like most things in life, being an entrepreneur needs a mix of both working in and on your business - especially if you’re running a small business where you need to wear multiple hats

In-On Balance | Professional Goals As An Entrepreneur

  • My goal this spring/summer is to strike up a proper balance between working in and working on my business. If I reflect on our business over the years, it has become more successful and able to pump out work, but that’s largely due to the tooling and my skills improving
  • I want to explore a lot of things this year including:
    • Getting more leverage over accepting deals
      • We already aren’t at the mercy of accepting all contracts that come our way due to our “success level” but we do get hit hard when a client stops working for us unexpectedly. I want to have income that comes from our own projects so that we can say no more often (be more choosy)
    • Cutting down on repeat tasks
      • I’ll be trying out some automation
      • If possible, I’ll cut some tasks out completely from person-done or machine-done
    • Increasing our throughput
      • Easier said than done, but I’ll either need to increase my productivity or will need to get more team members involved
      • We have worked with contractors long and short term in the past and this has helped us out when we’ve had too many large projects all on the go at once
    • Learn new skills in blindspots
      • This one will be tricky to balance as I can’t learn and do everything but off the top of my head I’d like to learn:
        • Marketing
        • First-hand website management (from a content perspective)
        • Full-Stack Development (even just from a training perspective, to allow me to talk more shop and/or pivot to working on projects like these if need be
  • I’m no expert in this area, so I got ChatGPT to list out some tips:
    • Block off “strategy time” in your calendar weekly.
    • Outsource or automate repetitive tasks.
    • Audit your week: How many hours are spent in vs on the business?
    • Track key performance metrics — not just client deadlines.
    • Build standard operating procedures (SOPs) for repeatable tasks.

The Discussion: Working In Your Business VS Working On Your Business

  • Working in your business comes with some of the traps of being an employee:
    • Making yourself feel productive by being busy (being busy doesn’t mean that you’re being effective
    • Burnout risk and stagnation when you’re stuck in the weeds
    • Being at the mercy of your “employer” 
      • In this case it’s the client(s), you’re completely at their mercy… if they drop you tomorrow now, is your business prepared to move on to another client?
      • Are you only working on your business when your clients drop you? Are you scrambling the entire time?
  • All your thoughts are on the task(s) at hand, and are not thinking about the business at large
    • How can we get more cashflow?
    • Are there things you can automate to save time?
    • What is the market doing? Do I need to pivot or adjust my strategy?
    • How do you increase your throughput? (ie hire employees)

The E-Myth Trap (Based on the Book by Michael E. Gerber)

  • There’s a concept from the book The E-Myth Revisited by Michael Gerber that really aligns with this idea.
  • The “E-Myth” stands for Entrepreneurial Myth — the false assumption that most people who start a business are entrepreneurs.
  • In reality, most are technicians — people who are good at a skill (like coding or designing) — and they start a business to do more of that skill.
  • But doing the work and building a business are two very different things.
  • Gerber breaks it down into three roles:
    • Technician – the doer (where most people stay)
    • Manager – the organizer
    • Entrepreneur – the visionary
  • If you’re stuck just doing the work every day, you’ve effectively just created a job for yourself — and probably a more stressful one.
  • I haven’t read the book myself (yet), but it’s been widely recommended and might be worth checking out if this sounds familiar to your situation.

Final Thoughts

  • It’s not wrong to work in your business — it’s often necessary.
  • The key is to make on the business work a regular, protected part of your schedule.
  • Long-term success means making yourself less essential to the day-to-day.



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