AI Has Made Skilled Labour Almost Free (And It’s Scary)

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Matt: All righty, everybody. This is yet another edition of the Web News, and this week I wanna have a conversation that can very easily get off the rails, but I've actually written... So for each of these Web News, I write, like, a little blurb, and then I write, like, a little bullet point list for the most part.

Some of them are a little bit different. Uh, but I write a little bullet point list of, like, the things I wanna discuss. And so I've done a little more detail this time, an extra paragraph and an extra few bullet points here, and I have it over here on my side monitor to try to keep this conversation kind of on the thesis, I guess. the idea behind this episode is that AI is giving us access, I would actually almost say too much access, to instant gratification. More specifically, it's giving us instant and what is seemingly free labor. Now, obviously, you pay for your ChatGPTs, you pay for your Claudes and all that stuff. But you pay that, pay those fees, you pay those [00:01:00] subscriptions a lot less money than you would a person. So I just have an example. So I have another podcast. It's called Day One Patch Podcast. It's about gaming. Go check it out. Shameless self plug. The point is, is that the members, 'cause it's just been done for fun, the members have come and go. Like, people have come and come back and been, you know, been guests, and some people are more consistent, some people are less consistent, et cetera, et cetera. But the thing is, is that used to have, like, kind of a pretty decent, decently difficult rather, uh, production pipeline. We used to go to, like, an actual recording studio, uh, which was still in a home, but it was still a recording studio. Uh, we used to have, like, a person that would grab the leads, another person that would, like, go through the leads and all these things. And a lot of this stuff has become simpler. So that's why I wanna use it as an example. This is not like an advertisement episode. This is an example It's become simpler as people have learned to use the internet more, and yada, yada. But very, very, uh, it's become very much simpler in the last couple of [00:02:00] years. We don't really have someone that does the producing for us anymore. We can look up leads by using AI. We can look up great ideas for the episode by using AI. We can find great citations for things. Hey, is that actually a fact? You can go and check, fact check with AI. It'll give you a link. You click the link, you check it, okay, great. So it's making things which were once skilled labor instantly accessible to us. It's just of clicks, maybe wait at most two minutes, and boom, there you go. Most stuff is instant or maybe a few seconds. the, the sort of idea behind this conversation that I wanna have is what is this sort of doing to us?

And I think what this is doing to us is it's creating a, an issue with instant gratification. Now, we alrea- already had that our world. A lot of it had to do with the internet and then the coming of age of, uh, smartphones, and so internet on the go. And so we have instant gratification. We can [00:03:00] instantly check in on somebody.

We can instantly call somebody. We can instantly post a picture. We can... If we're bored, we can instantly solve that, go on Reels or go on YouTube Shorts, things like that. If we, if we're stuck on a problem, we're not sifting through a library and trying to find a workbook. We instantly have a video telling us how to do it through a tutorial. There's instant gratification. But as things get faster and faster and faster, like with this now, the issue is that our expectations are also growing. And Mike, you and I are... We run a web dev agency, and we are mostly referral, if not entirely referral, and we're talking about, "Hey, let's experiment.

Let's, let's learn how to accrue some clients and just sh- sort of grow the business." Normal business chat. thing is, a lot of the conversation that we have is about min-maxing and things, which is great, you know, you wanna be productive, but a, I think a big problem is, is whenever, at least this is for me, I, I have this problem. Whenever I see, like a, a ticket come [00:04:00] in or a problem come in that is like, "Oh my God, what's the timeline for this?" That's the first thing that comes to my mind now. It's not, "Oh, how would I solve that? How's this? How's that?" It's, "What's the timeline for that?" Things feel so instant that if someone comes to me and says, "I want this very, very, very fancy page," like, "I want you to build this thing and really craft it and make it really nice," it's sort of like, oh, y- the first thing, I don't say this to them, but the first thing comes to my mind now is, you don't need that.

We can just get AI to quickly make you something and then SEO it." And that's not I don't think. It's making it so that we're no longer kind of- I used to complain to some clients that were, like, people that would rush me and, and, and I'd have a dialogue with them and say, "You're not letting me cook. You're not letting me get this done properly." And then sometimes that person would eventually say, "Okay, Matt, you know, I'll let you cook on this." And then they love the output, right? To sort of prove my point. Now it's like I don't even wanna cook, and I think it's due to this. So I, that's what... I, I had a kind [00:05:00] of a, a large intro there.

I kinda wanna keep it a concise conversation 'cause we could talk about AI and all the complaints. You know, it's just ridiculous. But I'd kinda like it to keep a, a bit of a concise hold on this conversation around this topic, if we can.

Mikhail: Yeah, for sure. So like instant gratification, especially in the AI age, is definitely something to combat, um, or some- something that's happened. If before, you know, I would get a task from the backlog, think about that task, plan it out, estimate it, put it into, you know, start working on it, give a more accurate estimation as I get there, and then, you know, a week later that task is done.

If it's a big enough task, that's, that was a typical timeline. That's all gone now pretty much. Um- It's more about, like, what I should be doing rather than how long or, [00:06:00] you know, how complex something is almost. It's a weird, it's a weird thing. Like I ha- I haven't thought about, like, the length of a task very much recently.

It's more about like, okay, I have this power in my hands, this AI power. What should I be doing with it? And I think that's what's led to this like little bit of the min/max, little bit of panic, little bit of like feeling like I'm wasting time. I don't know, FOMO, AI FOMO is a thing. Uh, you have all these agents at your fingertips and you aren't using them correctly.

That's how I feel a lot of the time, right? Like I, I've, I've created these amazing workflows that are able to build these really complex things that I would never have been able to build in the time that I, I've been able to build them. But I'm not using it. Like, I'm not really doing anything with it.

I'm not making any money with it. Like, you know, I'm still working, so I'm making money in that way, but it's just regular stuff. Like I'm, I'm doing regular work there and a lot of it's like custom that I can't even use AI for and stuff like that. But [00:07:00] I don't know, it's, it is a psychological screwing. Like a, a, like you, you wrote here I think psychological mismatch, and I do feel that quite often where like it's not...

Yeah, like the bottleneck isn't necessarily technology anymore. It, it is reality. Like what is the-- What can we do with it? What, what can be done? Like what could be created that hasn't, that, that it needs to be created? And I have-- I think I'm, I've always not been as creative in that sense as I wish I was.

Like I kinda, I'm kind of not good at thinking of original ideas. Like I try to and like, you know, I experiment and here and there, but I feel like that's a weak point for me and I, and I, I... It upsets me because in this, in this age and in where we're at right now, the people that are creative and that are able to deliver and like figure out the niches that need something and figure out, you know, the [00:08:00] little holes in the, in the industries that they're, that they're like in, those are the people that are succeeding or could succeed.

I don't know if they're succeeding actually. This is just maybe so- like a fantasy that's in my head, um, of people just like being able to take advantage of the situation. And I, and I feel constantly myself kind of not being at that, at the forefront there. Does that make sense? I don't... I, I feel like I've blabbered quite a bit there and I, I, I'm not sure if,

Matt: I find it

Mikhail: if it's a solid thought

Matt: that you're coming at it from the AI-wielding side. Like, I feel like I... When I came up with

Mikhail: Mm-hmm.

Matt: I was thinking more like creating this problem, and it's-- we were already addicted to instant gratification, or we had instant gratification. Now it's even more instant, and we don't wanna spend time cooking. We don't wanna spend time making anything. But then you're coming at it from the other side saying, "Well, we have this great power. What can we do with it?" It's like we have more voltage now, almost in a way. We were a

Mikhail: [00:09:00] Yeah

Matt: now maybe we're a 12-volt battery. What can we do with that, right? In a way.

Mikhail: Угу

Matt: I find that be, like, very interesting in your point. Um, I'll, I'll give you an example, and, like, I'll let you kinda, like, maybe take your idea with it. Like, take your, take your thoughts and maybe, like, apply it to this example. I have a, a, a friend who's very, very into TCG, trading card games, and he's-- and him and I have, like, discussed it a little bit. we think we've found... Like, this is completely on the side. We think we've found, like, a hole in the market for a, a web app or a website. And so we've been talking about it a little bit, and I'm always like, "Ah, you know, like, I'm working and stuff. Like, I can't really... You know, I don't wanna be spin this up, spin that up, spin this up, spin that up." Because I, I feel as though it's the same... There's two issues there. The one is, is that web developers classically buy a whole bunch of domains, of which is costing me, like, hundreds a year now. Like, I got, like, a $200

Mikhail: Yeah.

Matt: GoDaddy the other day. I was like, "What is going on?" Like, that's not good. so there's that. [00:10:00] the whole point is, is that... Like, I digress from that. But is, is that I'm always, like, afraid of, like, entering that of, like, I have a million ideas, and I don't wanna get 10% into, like, a million ideas and complete none of them. So I kinda, like, do none of them. So, like, th-that's a fear too.

There's almost, like, a double-edged fear there. But then I have this other thing of like, okay, well, there's a, there's an API for this particular TCG, and I'm keeping it anonymous 'cause I do legitimately think there's a hole in the market. But, um, there's an API for this TCG in which I would need information from.

It's available. You know, you can pay for it. There's... It's a free version, et cetera. That's great. I don't even wanna spend the time to learn the API. I'm like, "Oh, let's have an A- I'll have an AI write, you know, my my API, like it, it'll pull the information, it'll do this, it'll do that for me. Like, it'll

Mikhail: Sure

Matt: the API appropriately." And I'm afraid of that as well. So I'm afraid of not doing the idea, and then I'm [00:11:00] afraid of, well, if I do the idea, I should learn this API properly. I should sit there, and I should read about it, and I should get it done. And then other... And then there's the other side of things where it's like, no, you shouldn't do that. should just tell the AI to do it. But then I'm afraid of, okay, people in this TCG might be like, "Hey, this is all, like, vibe coded." like, well, no, it's not really vibe coded. Like, I know what I'm doing, but I mean, I kinda know what I'm doing. I haven't used this API before, and, you know, I've used APIs in the past, so I'm more experienced than, let's say, most.

Obviously, I'm in, in this trade. But that is where I'm at. So I don't know if, if you could take that example maybe and apply it with your thoughts

Mikhail: Yeah, no, it's a, it's a really good, it's a really good point. So first of all, the idea that someone's gonna be upset about it being vibe coded is very much a you issue because we're developers, we have a vibe code detector, and it's very strong. [00:12:00] We know when something's vibe coded. Like it, it-- I can, I can tell in minutes of using something when I know, that, that I know that this has been like really, really, really vibe coded.

A typical TCG user doesn't even know the term vibe coding,

Matt: true

Mikhail: l-let alone will be able to detect anything. They'll be able to detect bugs, but everything has bugs. So limiting yourself from doing something because you're afraid someone's gonna think it sucks, that's, that's a thing that's existed from the beginning.

Th- nothing to do with vibe coding, in my opinion. That's just something that like we constantly have in the back of our heads like, "Why would I put this out if it sucks?" So y- I think you need to get around it by just like, "Hey, if this is useful, it's useful. That's it." Doesn't matter how it was created, doesn't matter if I-- it doesn't matter if you understand what, what's in that API.

Who cares? The only thing I would say that I would be careful with is like if you're dealing with user data, which you might be, just like if you haven't done a lot [00:13:00] of security around accounts, get some reviews on that. Like just, just, just maybe look, either look into it yourself or send it over to me or something like that.

Like you, you have the resources to be able to make sure that that stuff is at least somewhat buttoned up. That's the only thing that I usually would suggest r- at least right now. I mean, these models are so good that it's really, it's becoming less of an issue as long as you're prompting them correctly, honestly.

Um, but either way, like I, I just, I feel... You always feel an obligation when you're dealing with user data and it, you know, getting a couple extra, a couple extra reviews is never gonna hurt. Um, so that's the only thing. Uh, but really in my eyes, if I had that idea of like, oh, this, this is a hole in the market, that's kinda what I've been searching for and like it's really difficult to find that.

So you-- whenever you see something like that, especially in a TCG market where people are spending tons of money, like I feel like you should just put your [00:14:00] head down and build it. Build a, build a prototype with AI, like right off the top. Set up a prompt and let it go. Like

Matt: we are, I would say, convinced. We've been talking about it for weeks, the idea has,

Mikhail: Do it. Yeah

Matt: always been around this one idea. So it's not like, you know, fly by night, we've just, like, decided to make a web app website and then take

Mikhail: Yeah.

Matt: like-

Mikhail: So the, the cost of experimentation has gotten so low that there's more... Th- this is where I, this is where my problem is. There's more cost in not experimenting. That's where I'm wor- like panicking about more than anything, is because I'm not experimenting enough, because the cost to experiment is like almost zero now.

Where before this idea might have been a great idea or might have not have been a great idea, but would you really wanna spend two, three weeks on it, two months on it to see? And sometimes you would, sometimes you wouldn't, depending on if, how passionate you were about that idea. But I, at [00:15:00] this point in time as a developer, if you think the idea has 2% chance of success, the cost is nothing to get it out there, so you just have to get it out there

Matt: Right

Mikhail: That's where I come from it.

That's where, that's where I come at any of these situations. And like, again, my, my problem is I can't think of that idea that even has a 2% chance of success.

Matt: Like the idea in this particular case comes from being like pretty deep into it. Like my buddy's very into it,

Mikhail: Yeah.

Matt: spending thousands of

Mikhail: That's what you want.

Matt: on

Mikhail: Yeah

Matt: like I, for nostalgia's sake, bought like a $6 pack, you know. Bought like a little bit of cards. I'm not spending thousands. I'm not even spending hundreds really, you know, and just kinda, just kinda playing around. because we were both kinda like chatting about it, we were like, "Oh. Oh, maybe there's like..." 'Cause we tried to, tried to look it up, tried to solve the problem with existing tools and could not. And so we're like, "Interesting

Mikhail: That's when you know, that's when you can smell something[00:16:00]

Matt: there was a way to solve it, but it was very janky, and I couldn't figure out how to do it. He actually did, and it was like, "Okay, this isn't really a solution. This is just us, you know, using a sp- It's almost like using a spreadsheet instead of using a tool," if that makes sense. Like, of course you could do all your accounting in a spreadsheet, or you could use QuickBooks, you know, whatever, right?

Like you

Mikhail: Угу

Matt: kind of like that Interesting

Mikhail: I mean, like, that's, that's the idea of all this is like you, you have-- The cost of experimentation is zero, so you have to experiment. You don't know if it's gonna take off. Even th- if there is a hole, maybe people prefer to use the spreadsheet. Like, that, that is a thing that happens sometimes.

Matt: and

Mikhail: But like...

Matt: yeah

Mikhail: Exactly, who knows? But it doesn't matter. It doesn't freaking matter. If you f- if you have a smell for this, you know, like you have an idea and you have, you have a friend that's been in this for a while, like boom, that's your-- That's where we need to shine right now. Like, that's where developers with the, with the, uh, like the capabilities of AI have an advantage.

That advantage is probably gonna go away once people, you know, vibe code better and once the [00:17:00] models get better and better and better and better. So in my opinion, this is the time to take advantage of it, and that's why I have that, like, almost like a ticking clock in the back of my head of like, there's something here.

I know there's something here, and I'm constantly nervous that I'm not grasping it.

Matt: Make, it makes

Mikhail: 'Cause it could go away.

Matt: does make sense. It,

Mikhail: Yeah

Matt: it does, it does play against, and I don't even know if we'd ever, like, come up with a conclusion, you know, to this issue in, in we- in This Web News, but it does create that psychological mismatch of the instant gratification. 'Cause it is weird. Like back, you were saying maybe you would spend two, three weeks on it.

It's like, yeah, I would spend maybe a day familiarizing myself with that API, a day or maybe two discussing what stack I'd use, another day doing this, another day doing that, another day doing, you know, hosting. Okay, let's build this thing. Okay, now I'm doing it. Okay, three days on, you know, troubleshooting and polishing.

And again, this is just MVP, so, like, low-level stuff. And there was that. Now I ... Now it feels weird because it's [00:18:00] like, I want this website up tomorrow night

Mikhail: And it probably can be up tomorrow night. Maybe a weekend

Matt: wrong to the point of, I be doing this?"

Mikhail: Yes, you should.

Matt: 'Cause I have a million

Mikhail: Because the guy, the, the next guy is gonna be doing it too. You should be-- Y- if you have a million ideas, you should be building a million ideas. I'm not, I, I am not exaggerating at this point. I think that if you don't build it, someone else will in this, in this particular instance, and you have the capabilities of not being a vibe coder and being an actual person that can look at the stuff from a, you know, infrastructure perspective.

Like, the hardest stuff is really, you know, the, the servers, the DNS, all of that stuff. It's somewhat solved if you can connect the things right with the agents, but even connecting it to the right spots and the agents, it takes some work. Like, you know, I,

Matt: DNS up and

Mikhail: it...

Matt: you know,

Mikhail: Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, if you know how to operate DNS and you can, you can prompt an agent to operate DNS properly, like this is, this is where we have the advantage right now, [00:19:00] today, where that advantage will start to go away pretty soon.

So capitalizing on that advantage is really all I'm thinking about like 80% of my day. And yes, it's causing me psychological fuckery in my head, but hopefully if we could, I could find something to build and I build it, and all of a sudden it takes off, it'll be worth it. But it might not be

Matt: just weird because it's like I have three main ideas that have been like mainstay in my head all this whole time

Mikhail: Угу

Matt: And normally I'd be like, "Okay, that's a year's worth of ideas to try." come up with a million excuses to not do it. Some of them are legitimate though.

Mikhail: Exactly

Matt: we're trying to find more clients. If a client calls, like, obviously, you know, that's not even really an excuse. It's like I'm just, just priorities I guess, right? It's sort of like I could go buy new shoes to- today, but my shoes are

Mikhail: Mm-hmm.

Matt: Like, you know, my priorities are I don't wanna buy new shoes. Like, why would I spend that money? priorities, uh, in, in place. Um This is a [00:20:00] weird... We're in a weird... Oh, man. This is a weird spot.

Mikhail: Yes, we are

Matt: weird spot. I, I, I got in

Mikhail: We're in a transitionary time. We're in a transitionary time, and a lot of success can be had in tradition- transitionary times, but you have to be able to find where that success is by experimenting and doing things that are outside the box that'll make you uncomfortable If you're uncomfortable, you're doing something right, in my opinion.

I know that's like a very typical motivation bullshit thing, but like right now I am uncomfortable all the fucking time, so I'm hopefully doing something right.

Matt: question

Mikhail: I don't know.

Matt: is it's like a lot of this conversation's gonna be about, or has, is supposed to be about we're trying to get things too instantly. We're not spending the time to do the work. We're not putting the work in. Th- that I think ultimately is, like, the weird feeling about it. It's one thing to be like,

Mikhail: Угу

Matt: I'm just gonna open up Reels," and, like, that has some sort of psychological effect that goes beyond my expertise, 'cause I'm not a doctor of any, of any type. But we know that Instagramification has some sort of psychological [00:21:00] whatever on, on, on kids, on adults, et cetera. Uh, I mean, one of the things that's crazy is a lot of ... I see a lot of my friends' parents who are, you know, older, like 60 to, to 60 plus at this point, they're, like, addicted to their phones. And I've see- and I

Mikhail: Yeah, absolutely

Matt: Like, let's say the, let's say the, the husband's addicted and the, and the wife isn't. The wife will be like, "He's always on his phone.

I don't get it." And it's like, "You just didn't catch the bug." I was like, "It's addictive, but it's addictive for all ages." Like, the

Mikhail: Угу

Matt: the Reels and the doom scrolling and the, the news, the constant news cycle and the constant messages and the instant, uh, the constant, like, digital availability is addictive. And we saw that with the internet back in the day when people would start those email chains or people would just be sending these huge, massive, ridiculous email chains about anything as innocent, uh, as re- recipes through more egregious things I'm, you know, I'm sure. So I don't know. this is a, I'm in a weird spot, man.

Mikhail: Agreed. Yeah. We're, [00:22:00] we're all in weird spots right now. I think, like,

Matt: because they're also...

Mikhail: I feel like there, there's something there to grasp

Matt: to do all the ideas, maybe we'll conclude with this, is like what you're saying to do all the ideas, but it's

Mikhail: Dobra

Matt: okay, we're trying to get out of the referral business. Like, okay, cool. It's like I have video ideas for our YouTube channel. It's like, okay, we can do that. Okay, we also have, like, other ideas to, like, re- re- reinvigorate the HTML All the Things website. Okay, we can do that. We also have episode ideas. It's like, all right. But we also have these other side hustle ideas, and I'm sure that many people struggle with this. But now that things are more instant than ever, it's like, now am I obligated to do them all? seems absurd

Mikhail: Y- you have to prioritize. Like, there's no doubt about that. Like, you have to look at what you need to do for the day and prioritize. Like, whether you do all the ideas, I, I don't know. Like it

Matt: 'Cause if we try to slow it down to vet them, then I feel like I'm starting to make excuses. But then when I go to make them, I'm like, "Well, I want this done tomorrow." And [00:23:00] that's absurd, but then it kind of isn't because we can have stuff AI generated

Mikhail: Correct I don't know. Like I, I split my day up with like different blocks of the day where I'll do like, you know, this type of work that day, this type of work the other day, and then usually at the end of the day is when I do some like experimentations. Like before g- before going to bed for an hour, not every night, for sure not every night, like, you know, a, a handful of nights a week maybe, two, two to three max, I'll experiment with some shit.

I'll run... You know, I'll try the new agent. I'll, you know, create this random game. I'll create this thing. And like that-- In my opinion, that's the time where you would s- formulate the prompt that you would need to build something like that, right? Like it's an experimentation at the end of the day after you've done your main work just-- and because you're interested in it.

It's not like a super draining thing. Like I, I don't-- At the end of the day, I don't do draining things. So if I don't wanna experiment, I don't experiment. That's the, uh, that, that's where I'm at. But at this point, I do wanna experiment a lot, so that's [00:24:00] why I'm doing it. So I, yeah, I, I think you have to separate out this like idea of there's too much to do to just being like, "Okay, these are the things I have to do."

Like you have clients. I need to do this stuff. So there's n- there's no choice. I have to do this work. Now, like I've done the, uh, y- I've done this work, like, okay, what's the next thing? Okay, so this, this might generate us income, so that's a pretty important thing. Let's do that. And then at the end of the day, if you're like, "Oh, I still have a couple hours in my head of doing some shit," maybe you just kick off a prompt and start playing a game while you're, while it's prompting.

Like that, I do that as well. Like I'll, I'll literally like play Diablo IV sometimes, and then I'll have like my prompts going off. And then, you know, when I'm in town, I'll just check how it's going, and I'll steer it if I need to.

Matt: This is weird. It's instant skilled labor and it's, it's, it's, it's worrisome

Mikhail: It's weird, it's weird. It's, it's awkward, it's strange, and it's, it's becoming more weird by the day. Like, it's getting more capable, which is making it more weird.

Matt: Yeah. [00:25:00] It's, it's becau-

Mikhail: Yeah.

Matt: dominating more news cycles. It's,

Mikhail: Absolutely

Matt: it's causing more problems, of course. You're gonna... There's definitely gonna be someone out there that's listening to this that's anti-AI that's like, "You know, this is causing problems." And I agree with you, like it's, it's absolutely causing

Mikhail: Yeah

Matt: And I know that some people say it's gonna solve all those problems. I mean, I've, I've yet to see anything solve all its problems, so I, I disagree with that take as well, that it's gonna solve all its problems or that those problems will be easy to solve. Like I... There's definitely problems. There's environmental problems.

There's a bunch of other problems. Like there's a lo- there's no denying that. I'm not even gonna deny that, 100%. I don't know how to conclude this because usually we kinda come to a conclusion, and I don't know if there really is one. I mean, you're, uh, uh, you've, you've come up with a conclusion I suppose of like y- go out

Mikhail: Yeah

Matt: things. I'm, I'm stuck on this weird like why are things instant and why are the, why, why is skilled labor less valuable?

I don't know if I should say less valuable, but maybe. Like less valuable is kinda seems like it is. It feels like it is, and it sh- maybe shouldn't

Mikhail: Oh, [00:26:00] absolutely. Computer, computer skilled label i- is, is gonna become more and more or less valuable. Like, it's an awkward time in a very strange world. My problem with, like, just being analysis paralysis mode is this isn't the time to be that.

Matt: that's true

Mikhail: This is the time... This, this is the time to get through the awkwardness, screw your own brain of like, okay, the, like, you know, yes, this is strange.

Yes, this is wrong in s- in, in A, B, and C. This isn't going anywhere, unfortunately. Like, you don't know-- You're not gonna be able to... Like, you not using it isn't gonna stop this from happening, just period. Even a chunk of society not using it isn't gonna stop it from happening. So what you need to do is you need to adapt, and you need to take advantage of the situation as much as possible

Matt: Ja

Mikhail: Because if you're not gonna do it, the guy beside you will. And then we're gonna be stuck. Like, I don't know what this is gonna look like in a year or two years or five years.

Matt: like

Mikhail: I think it's gonna be very different.

Matt: right?

Mikhail: I [00:27:00] don't even wanna think about 10 years. Yeah, I don't even wanna think about 10 years. I, I, I have a hard time imagining a year ahead.

I have an almost impossible time imagining three years ahead at this point in time. So what we can only do is like, "Hey, today we have the tools to do X and Y that we did not have yesterday. Let's take advantage of it," period, to the maximum of its capabilities

Matt: I think that's a good conclusion 'cause I, I'm just gonna answer more questions and hesitation. Like, but

Mikhail: Yeah

Matt: I, I 100% see your point. Um, I'd love to hear from the audience, honestly. I'd love to hear from the

Mikhail: Yeah

Matt: because, like, I, I, I'm glad the conversation went the way it did, 'cause it wasn't off the rails where we're talking about every single problem that AI has ever created, every single solution that it might create, every single political pro- I wanted to have this conversation about this, you know, and, and it, we, we kept it pretty concise, and you had a, a, a point that I never thought we'd get to.

Like, I never thought that, that would be the direction we, we, we go. Uh, I loved it. [00:28:00] So I loved it, but I'm also flabbergasted still. But, um,

Mikhail: Yeah. Good

Matt: that's, that's the web news. Please let us know in the comments. Spotify, like, let us know in DMs, TikTok, whatever, uh, comments on TikTok as well, comments on YouTube, wherever you're, you're seeing this. us know what your thoughts are on this because this is, we're in a weird, weird time and a weird, weird world, and I've probably said this on other episodes, I feel weird, and it is weird. So that's the web news for this week. Uh, I don't know if you have anything else to add, Mike?

Mikhail: Just goodbye